pardon, it's a voltage regulator chip on the motherboard, perhaps.
bymyfault wrote:

It should be one of the few control signals feeding the inverter.
On really old inverters, the contrast control is a simple analog voltage.
As the voltage varies, the light output of the CCFL tube varies. This
is terms an "analog control" method. One way to determine an analog
control is used, is that analog control does not give a very large
adjustment range. It might vary the light level from 70% to 100%, but
not offer any lower adjustment (as the CCFL tube would turn off if you
tried a lower value).
*******
The more modern control method, is PWM based (pulse width modulation).
A digital square wave is sent on the cable. It would look like this,
at perhaps 200Hz or so.
+---+ +---+ +---+ +-+ +-+
| | | | | | | | | |
---+ +-+ +-+ +- ---+ +----+ +----
High duty cycle = bright Low duty cycle = dim
The PWM signal "modulates" the 25KHz oscillation of the inverter.
The inverter runs in "bursts". Since, on average, the CCFL tube
is maintained in the conducting state, it continues to run with the
lower of the output voltages that the inverter offers (like 700VAC).
If the duty cycle were to go so low as to quench the tube, then
the tube would likely not be able to light up again. So the
duty cycle can be varied over a large range. And the adjustment
range using PWM, is larger than with the analog control method.
If you are seeing a dim output, you'd check to see if the PWM
signal was still working. The PWM frequency has to be higher
than the scan rate of the panel, and preferably a frequency
unrelated. Otherwise, there could be a "beat note" or distracting
visual interference, between the CCFL light source, and the
image provided by the LCD panel itself. What I can't tell
you, is what the correct amplitude of the control signal
should be. Perhaps the amplitude is wrong, instead of just
the pulse width. A wrong amplitude might affect the
operation in unpredictable ways.
This picture, shows the CCFL lamp voltage present, during one
of the pulses in the PWM waveform above. So bursts of 700-1000VAC
sine waves are fed to the CCFL, to control the intensity.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/images/appnotes/3997/3997Fig02.gif
And I don't know, what chip on the motherboard, makes that
PWM signal. It would be logical for it to come from the
laptop GPU (graphics processor), but could just as easily
come from some other chip.
You can see in this example, there are five signals feeding
into the inverter (on the ribbon cable). +5V for the logic
gates of the chip. +12V to the MOSFETs pumping the transformer.
Ground signal. And two control signals - an ENABLE signal
to turn the lamp completely ON and OFF, as well as LPWM
to control the intensity while it is ON. Presumably the
allowed logic level on LPWM, is a 5V amplitude signal.
http://circuits.datasheetdir.com/59/OB3302-circuits.jpg
Some inverters will have more signals than that. To
understand inverter operation, you would note the part
number of the IC on the inverter, then dig up a datasheet,
to get a better idea what signals could be on the ribbon cable.
*******
As a "non-electrician", all you can do is verify the ribbon
cable is properly plugged in.
Paul
It should be one of the few control signals feeding the inverter.
On really old inverters, the contrast control is a simple analog voltage.
As the voltage varies, the light output of the CCFL tube varies. This
is terms an "analog control" method. One way to determine an analog
control is used, is that analog control does not give a very large
adjustment range. It might vary the light level from 70% to 100%, but
not offer any lower adjustment (as the CCFL tube would turn off if you
tried a lower value).
*******
The more modern control method, is PWM based (pulse width modulation).
A digital square wave is sent on the cable. It would look like this,
at perhaps 200Hz or so.
+---+ +---+ +---+ +-+ +-+
| | | | | | | | | |
---+ +-+ +-+ +- ---+ +----+ +----
High duty cycle = bright Low duty cycle = dim
The PWM signal "modulates" the 25KHz oscillation of the inverter.
The inverter runs in "bursts". Since, on average, the CCFL tube
is maintained in the conducting state, it continues to run with the
lower of the output voltages that the inverter offers (like 700VAC).
If the duty cycle were to go so low as to quench the tube, then
the tube would likely not be able to light up again. So the
duty cycle can be varied over a large range. And the adjustment
range using PWM, is larger than with the analog control method.
If you are seeing a dim output, you'd check to see if the PWM
signal was still working. The PWM frequency has to be higher
than the scan rate of the panel, and preferably a frequency
unrelated. Otherwise, there could be a "beat note" or distracting
visual interference, between the CCFL light source, and the
image provided by the LCD panel itself. What I can't tell
you, is what the correct amplitude of the control signal
should be. Perhaps the amplitude is wrong, instead of just
the pulse width. A wrong amplitude might affect the
operation in unpredictable ways.
This picture, shows the CCFL lamp voltage present, during one
of the pulses in the PWM waveform above. So bursts of 700-1000VAC
sine waves are fed to the CCFL, to control the intensity.
http://www.maxim-ic.com/images/appnotes/3997/3997Fig02.gif
And I don't know, what chip on the motherboard, makes that
PWM signal. It would be logical for it to come from the
laptop GPU (graphics processor), but could just as easily
come from some other chip.
You can see in this example, there are five signals feeding
into the inverter (on the ribbon cable). +5V for the logic
gates of the chip. +12V to the MOSFETs pumping the transformer.
Ground signal. And two control signals - an ENABLE signal
to turn the lamp completely ON and OFF, as well as LPWM
to control the intensity while it is ON. Presumably the
allowed logic level on LPWM, is a 5V amplitude signal.
http://circuits.datasheetdir.com/59/OB3302-circuits.jpg
Some inverters will have more signals than that. To
understand inverter operation, you would note the part
number of the IC on the inverter, then dig up a datasheet,
to get a better idea what signals could be on the ribbon cable.
*******
As a "non-electrician", all you can do is verify the ribbon
cable is properly plugged in.
Paul
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> speaking about inverters and lamps, i have a faulty notebook with
> strange behaviour,
>
> the owner had thought that it's a simple failure like inverter or CCFL
> lamp, but i have checked three adittional inverters(two new ones
> ordered from USA),
> and the same thing. I have attached new screens and a screen from the
> same model(with it's own inverter + flat cable), but nothing, the
> notebook is showing a symptom of CCFL failure,
> the image is showing up but dimed. So the inverter is not, the CCFL
> is not a failure, the picture is good-normal when attaching it to an
> external LCD monitor!
> Then it has to be that chip on the motherboard which converts the
> picture to the screen ???
>
> that chip - anybody knows what's the name of that chip in general
> terms ?
>
> or somekind of short-circuit somewhere on the board. I have had that
> kind of problems, and a very well educated and practiced electrician
> can solve that in a matter of a sec.
> Is there some possibile solution i could handle without knowing the
> electrical stuff as a profession ??
>