> Bill Hillman wrote:
> > New CPU installed and running this morning. Did a little playing
> > around with overclocking the CPU. =A0Was able to hit 4Ghz pretty
> > easily! =A0Stock retail cooler. =A0I could not find a way to adjust the
> > CPU voltage on this board, settings are really limited. =A0Was
> > pleasantly surprised. =A0The odd thing is I could not change the
> > multiplier to more than 19x, probably a BIOS glitch since it would
> > jump to 5x when I selected 19.5x. =A0So I bumped the FSB after that. It
> > would actually post at 4200Mhz but lock right after BIOS screen.
> > 4050Mhz got into windows boot but locked before reaching desktop. =A0I'm
> > sure with some fancy cooling and more voltage it could probably go a
> > little higher. =A0Maybe dig out the old water cooler thats been sitting
> > in a box for the past 6 yrs. =3D)
> > Someday when I need the extra power and more programs take better
> > advantage of multicore CPUs I'll replace the mobo with something a
> > little more OC friendly and unlock the extra cores.
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> I don't see an option listed in the BIOS for that.
> MicroATX boards aren't always set up for overclocking. That tends to
> be a feature of full sized ATX motherboards. But even then, they can be
> missing the feature needed to adjust Vcore. I have a full sized ATX
> motherboard, which only cost $65, and it had no voltage adjustment.
> But the regulator chip on it, turned out to be quite nice anyway, and
> the regulator had an "offset" pin on it. By doing a single resistor
> change to the motherboard, I could get a 0.1V boost (that's all I tested).
> It wasn't enough to make the thing stable at a 33% overclock, but it was
> close.
> The Vcore regulator is power limited on your board, and that isn't
> one of the Asus 140W motherboards. Power dissipation in Vcore rises
> rapidly, if you're volt modding, and you want plenty of power head
> room if doing so. Power is proportional to V**2, so if you go from
> 1.3V to 1.4V, the relative power change is 1.4*1.4/(1.3*1.3) or 1.16x.
> In some overclocking situations, by adjusting the voltage, you can
> easily draw 50% more than the rated TDP of the processor. The most
> famous case, was probably overclocking the Pentium D 805 to 4GHz,
> where some people laid their motherboard on a foam plastic support,
> and the motherboard melted the foam :-) That was a power draw of over
> 200 watts. So if the motherboard is kinda power limited on Vcore to
> begin with, you don't want to push it too far.
> If you want instant feedback as to what your changes are doing,
> try sticking a finger on the MOSFETs around the CPU socket.
> They'll give you some idea how stressful the operation is.
> On one of my boards, I had to stop, because the MOSFETs were
> beginning to heat up. MOSFETs do have a Safe Operating Area, and
> do have the option of going into thermal runaway (in the sense that,
> the channel resistance begins to go up, so the heating process of
> the MOSFET accelerates - the MOSFETS "go limp" when they get hot).
> It means near the end of the power limit, the MOSFET temperature
> curve gets steeper. MOSFETs have been known to get hot enough,
> to melt the solder underneath. That's for the ones that don't have
> a heatsink (because the designer wasn't counting on a 200W load).
> Your board has a three phase regulator, and no heatsinks.
> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-131-014-03.jpg
> Based on that picture, your best option would be a CPU cooler that
> blows downwards. The "spill air" from the CPU cooler can be used to
> keep adjacent stuff cool.
> =A0 =A0 Paul
This board was actually purchased for a friend that is merely a 'user'
and has no clue what a BIOS is. When I built her system I didn't
think it would ever be used for this purpose. It's a long story but
know I'll be using it for a little while until I buy a better one down
the road.
While researching info about the Phenom II, I had read some horror
stories about boards being fried by overclocking or unlocking cores.
I was just assuming this board could handle quite a bit of power draw
simply because it shows it compatible with several higher power Athlon/
Opteron CPU's up to 125W. I will definitely pay close attention
though with the info you've provided should I try to do any further
overclocking. Also good to know when I do buy another board which
might just get OC'd a bit.
The stock CPU cooler seems setup well to provide cooling for the
surrounding components with air coming out all 4 sides. The funny
thing I noticed was the heatsink for the Phenom II X2 555 (80W) wasn't
as beefy as the one I removed for the Athlon 64 3200+ (45W) which had
a lower power draw. Perhaps the heatsink design is more efficient.
The CPU temp according to the BIOS hardware monitor and software in
windows both showed a CPU temp around 45C at 4Ghz (idle) so it must be
doing a decent job. I didn't really stress it that much, just ran
Sandra a few times as a quick test. The case I will be eventually
moving it to also has an 80mm fan blowing outside air directly over
the CPU area from the side of the case.
Thanks again for the info Paul! I had hoped some folks were still
around the old newsgroups with the knowledge I needed and you
certainly didn't let me down! These days with all the overclocking
websites it's almost information overload at times. Back when
overclocking first got really rocking with the 'new' Celeron and such,
all we had was these newsgroups and the ACHO FAQ I hosted on my
website. It's been nice getting those juices flowing again.... =3D)
Thanks,
Bill
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> > New CPU installed and running this morning. Did a little playing
> > around with overclocking the CPU. =A0Was able to hit 4Ghz pretty
> > easily! =A0Stock retail cooler. =A0I could not find a way to adjust the
> > CPU voltage on this board, settings are really limited. =A0Was
> > pleasantly surprised. =A0The odd thing is I could not change the
> > multiplier to more than 19x, probably a BIOS glitch since it would
> > jump to 5x when I selected 19.5x. =A0So I bumped the FSB after that. It
> > would actually post at 4200Mhz but lock right after BIOS screen.
> > 4050Mhz got into windows boot but locked before reaching desktop. =A0I'm
> > sure with some fancy cooling and more voltage it could probably go a
> > little higher. =A0Maybe dig out the old water cooler thats been sitting
> > in a box for the past 6 yrs. =3D)
> > Someday when I need the extra power and more programs take better
> > advantage of multicore CPUs I'll replace the mobo with something a
> > little more OC friendly and unlock the extra cores.
> > Thanks,
> > Bill
> I don't see an option listed in the BIOS for that.
> MicroATX boards aren't always set up for overclocking. That tends to
> be a feature of full sized ATX motherboards. But even then, they can be
> missing the feature needed to adjust Vcore. I have a full sized ATX
> motherboard, which only cost $65, and it had no voltage adjustment.
> But the regulator chip on it, turned out to be quite nice anyway, and
> the regulator had an "offset" pin on it. By doing a single resistor
> change to the motherboard, I could get a 0.1V boost (that's all I tested).
> It wasn't enough to make the thing stable at a 33% overclock, but it was
> close.
> The Vcore regulator is power limited on your board, and that isn't
> one of the Asus 140W motherboards. Power dissipation in Vcore rises
> rapidly, if you're volt modding, and you want plenty of power head
> room if doing so. Power is proportional to V**2, so if you go from
> 1.3V to 1.4V, the relative power change is 1.4*1.4/(1.3*1.3) or 1.16x.
> In some overclocking situations, by adjusting the voltage, you can
> easily draw 50% more than the rated TDP of the processor. The most
> famous case, was probably overclocking the Pentium D 805 to 4GHz,
> where some people laid their motherboard on a foam plastic support,
> and the motherboard melted the foam :-) That was a power draw of over
> 200 watts. So if the motherboard is kinda power limited on Vcore to
> begin with, you don't want to push it too far.
> If you want instant feedback as to what your changes are doing,
> try sticking a finger on the MOSFETs around the CPU socket.
> They'll give you some idea how stressful the operation is.
> On one of my boards, I had to stop, because the MOSFETs were
> beginning to heat up. MOSFETs do have a Safe Operating Area, and
> do have the option of going into thermal runaway (in the sense that,
> the channel resistance begins to go up, so the heating process of
> the MOSFET accelerates - the MOSFETS "go limp" when they get hot).
> It means near the end of the power limit, the MOSFET temperature
> curve gets steeper. MOSFETs have been known to get hot enough,
> to melt the solder underneath. That's for the ones that don't have
> a heatsink (because the designer wasn't counting on a 200W load).
> Your board has a three phase regulator, and no heatsinks.
> http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/13-131-014-03.jpg
> Based on that picture, your best option would be a CPU cooler that
> blows downwards. The "spill air" from the CPU cooler can be used to
> keep adjacent stuff cool.
> =A0 =A0 Paul